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Post by BuddyRTC on Mar 26, 2010 21:26:14 GMT -5
How many hip hoppers does it take to screw in a light bulb? . . . . . . . . wait for it . . . . . . 3... One to screw it in, and two to complain about how the old one was so much better. Point being.. shit changes, but all I can say is that I'm glad... because there are more cyphers, more REAL dancing, and more bboys in Michigan than ever before. Who cares if there won't be a huge turnout for a small thing in Detroit... isn't that something that concerns bboys from Detroit? If you do something small like that in A2... I'm gonna be there. I don't travel across the state to win battles... I do it to reunite with the scene... All those people that I've been seeing for years and years. How can you say now a days it's all about prize money? Come check out our session spots some time and you'll see that it's a lot more than kids training for the big competition... it's a group celebrating breaking, and teaching the history. ya.....but if we had monthly cyphers how many people are gin to come out. ? why dont people come to detroit for our shindigs. just battles.? I like the light bulb joke. lol.... People are blaming young people for killing the "party" essence of the scene. That's just it-- we're young people. I mean, Lil Paolo and I couldn't even get into the Mighty 4 afterparty because I'm 17 and he's 16. My parents aren't too informed about the scene, so I just tell them I'm driving to a "competition", and I can go. I'm sorry I can't keep up with the party/clubbing side of the "real" culture because... I'm 17. I know Lil Rayzor doesn't go clubbing and partying, but lil dude is DEFINITELY legit in the scene. Maybe the scene seems like it's getting lost to some people because they weren't in the same situation as we are now. I mean, I have no problem driving to Detroit or anywhere else to battle, but I also live in the burbs... so what? Isn't hip-hop about UNITY? So it shouldn't matter if you're from the burbs, inner-cty, or you break in a barn, and if there are differences due to age, they should be understood. And plus... shit, I didn't even know you guys HAD shindigs like that, even though I wouldn't be able to go anyways
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Mar 26, 2010 23:51:33 GMT -5
Dude!! Nosey! I remember that video. That giant nose always creeped me out, hahaha. 3-step 3-step 3-step, toprock, toprock.
I don't think anyone is blaming young people for anything. A young adult can't really be responsible for where they were raised or what resources are available to them. I was just trying to point out an old school point of view. It's not that one is right or wrong, rather if you understand both sides, you can see where the other is coming from. I don't think its about agreeing or disagreeing either. I would say Cryzko making that statement is legit. To deny it's validity and not know about that past is not legit.
One thing that I'm confident young people don't do enough of is take accountability in learning their history. Usually people are so caught up in making history that they probably don't spend as much time as they should learning about the past. I myself don't know as much as I should. The problem is when our old school heads speak up, we need to do a better job of seeing their insight as a resource to learn from, not something to dispute.
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Post by Scotty Pimppen RTC on Mar 27, 2010 1:09:57 GMT -5
One thing that I'm confident young people don't do enough of is take accountability in learning their history. Usually people are so caught up in making history that they probably don't spend as much time as they should learning about the past. I myself don't know as much as I should. The problem is when our old school heads speak up, we need to do a better job of seeing their insight as a resource to learn from, not something to dispute. I don't count as a young person anymore.. but I know my shit, so I'm always happy to share.
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Post by Mav-One (MCRz) on Mar 27, 2010 15:12:17 GMT -5
One thing that I'm confident young people don't do enough of is take accountability in learning their history. Usually people are so caught up in making history that they probably don't spend as much time as they should learning about the past. I myself don't know as much as I should. The problem is when our old school heads speak up, we need to do a better job of seeing their insight as a resource to learn from, not something to dispute. I don't count as a young person anymore.. but I know my shit, so I'm always happy to share. again wheres everyone on tues. thats all ages...sicari has a dope spot that most people seen for the first time because of M4 (a battle) .....weve talked bout it. wanted to get a monthly cypher bug out going BUT weve tried it in the past , never get no support, and its (back then this was pre MCRz) that cats from southwest and hardcore. sprinkled with LBJ(chucky alvyn) i can understand 616/lansing not comin out but those dudes do support the other shit we get going. Cryzko had a ill ass party on mich. ave last year. and no one came(but i think cuz a battle was going on). ya so i think people are really missing out on that. the age thing bahhhkkkkk. i dont wanna sound like an ass but ask the older heads. we been going to shit since. we were 15-16 we just wanted to get down. ray ray supports are shit also. dude is 13(i think). all be it hes there for a lil while but he still rolls through. it really does feel like people will only come out to battle.
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Post by cryzko on Mar 27, 2010 16:23:25 GMT -5
theres a difference.... dancing just to dance...or dancing and being part of the culture.... seems most just want to dance....
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Post by Scotty Pimppen RTC on Mar 27, 2010 22:38:30 GMT -5
Yo man I'll come out to anything.. but I work 7:30-5 M-F so if it's late... and on a weekday, then that's not easy. I don't see why driving out to Detroit makes us part of the culture. We have bboy CULTURE in Ann Arbor. There are almost 30 people at all our sessions 3 days a week. Cyphering... teaching.. learning w/e how is that no being part of the culture? We go to hiphop shows, get down, meet everybody, respect the art, learn the history... can't I then claim that YOU don't partake in the culture cause you don't come out here except for battles?!?! That's bullshit. I'm sure some people just want to dance... but most of those people don't last more than a couple of years.
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Mar 28, 2010 0:26:30 GMT -5
Easy fellas. What would Nosey do here. He'd do some 3-step.
One thing that I don't think anyone is looking at is subculture. Maybe we should try to realize that now that hip hop is so widespread and diverse, there are different cultures within it. You have the cultures more deeply rooted in their origins like NY. There is the established culture specific to Detroit with emphasis on the underground. And then there's this newer, widespread culture which seems to incorporate and accept multiple cultures into hiphop (skinny jeans, emo bboys, college bboys, youtube bboys, etc.).
It's not going to hurt anyone to support one another. If you don't know about Detroit hip hop, check it out. I hated it at first. Then I was exposed to Agave... ugh ugh ugh! Then Agave got shut down, hahaha. Anyone remember that joint?
Back to the point. Every subculture has something dope, and something to share. Every subculture will naturally want more support from other cultures. Every culture will strive to define themselves and sometimes even hate on other subcultures (who's true and who's fraudulent).
You want hip hop to survive and be strong? Then support each other's subcultures. If the Ann Arbor scene is strong and the Detroit scene is dying, then one should help the other and help preserve it, vise versa. No excuses. I think it should be about your art in all its forms. Not about who's is superior, not about what's convenient, not about what's most comfortable, but I could be wrong.
This thread tends to keep going back to who should do what, and why those people shouldn't have to do certain things. Why people can't make it to the D, why those people should be obligated to, blah blah blah. What you all need to do is collaborate, find out what it takes to get some AA heads down to the D, what would make it worthwhile for them to make the trip and make that shit happen.
I remember rollin with JussCuzz and Lichy for a while. They worked with me, schooled me, and eventually I felt straight up obligated to hit up the D experience the scene. It sucked at first. Kinda dirty, grundgy, raw, the whole rough nine. Once you learn to see through all the surface bullshit and hard times people go through, Detroit is a sick sick city. Dirty becomes dope. Raw becomes a sick vibe. Grundgy becomes the perfect setting to rock a beat. And the people will take care of you, teach you about their dance, their culture. On top of everything else, I learned to appreciate it and the people that stick around there trying to raise a sunken ship.
FYI: I happen to be all about the dance. I tend to only get involved when I see the opportunity to use the dance to make positive changes.... So if someone is using dance to help the community, no matter what community, I'm down.
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Post by cryzko on Mar 28, 2010 1:10:16 GMT -5
i decided that folks just need to figure it out for themselves..... no need to compare shit.... and the hip hop/bboy/etc culture came from the 'hood'.......
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Post by BuddyRTC on Mar 28, 2010 11:07:11 GMT -5
I don't count as a young person anymore.. but I know my shit, so I'm always happy to share. again wheres everyone on tues. thats all ages...sicari has a dope spot that most people seen for the first time because of M4 (a battle) .....weve talked bout it. wanted to get a monthly cypher bug out going BUT weve tried it in the past , never get no support, and its (back then this was pre MCRz) that cats from southwest and hardcore. sprinkled with LBJ(chucky alvyn) i can understand 616/lansing not comin out but those dudes do support the other shit we get going. Cryzko had a ill ass party on mich. ave last year. and no one came(but i think cuz a battle was going on). ya so i think people are really missing out on that. the age thing bahhhkkkkk. i dont wanna sound like an ass but ask the older heads. we been going to shit since. we were 15-16 we just wanted to get down. ray ray supports are shit also. dude is 13(i think). all be it hes there for a lil while but he still rolls through. it really does feel like people will only come out to battle. If I lived anywhere near the D, I would come down too like you did. But I live an hour away. So going out to chill with you guys on a school night= not cutting it. And I live with a black mother... I tell her I'm goin down to the D to chill and she doesn't like the neighborhood... Do you REALLY think she's gonna dig that? C'mon man. Yeah, you guys been gettin down since you were 15, but you LIVED there, it was probably a nice walk or something, but you're still coming from the same city, not an hour away, dig? That's why it's so hard for me to be involved in the scene in the first place. I've tried connecting with some DJs in Flint like E-Scizzaz, but even then, I have school and a crazy moms to think about. Back in the day was a lot different than 2010 yo. But word about sub-cultures and support. Supporting each other is one of the best ways to help the scene grow. My excuse right now is that I live about an hour away from any bboys besides VA, and I would hook up with them more, but they session in Ypsi most of the time... an HOUR away.
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Post by cryzko on Mar 28, 2010 12:44:06 GMT -5
it's all good..... i'm just voicing my opinion and my view on the current status of the scene.... some folks get ryled up/etc.... but to each his/her own.....
i too was all about the scene growing/etc.... but it just seems that it's losing something....
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Post by Scotty Pimppen RTC on Mar 28, 2010 13:10:47 GMT -5
i too was all about the scene growing/etc.... but it just seems that it's losing something.... Then do something about it. If you know something we don't.. then educate us. I spent 4 months in NY... hitting up all the spots. Learning from Ken Swift, Break Easy, King Uprock... anyone around. People are down to learn if people are down to teach.
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Mar 28, 2010 14:42:00 GMT -5
Alright! Class starts Tuesday. Location is Detroit! Who's going to be there? Hahahha. This isn't going anywhere....
From where I see it, people have to be willing to give both ways. People from the burbs are going to have to make attempts to hit up the D, and likewise people from the D are going to have to rekindle their drive to teach kids from the burbs. Without both, you're both fucked.
Yo, some of my most inspired moments came from words in passing. I remember either Shamrock the Floor or Rock Da Bellz, Blackout told Leo and I that we were going to go far. Maybe not in that particular comp, but eventually. He told us we danced and that was good.... We didn't go that far, hahahaha but that shit fueled me and took away some of the intimidation of Detroit. After that, in addition to dancing for myself I always had something to prove to Blackout, wanted to rep and not disappoint.
I remember when Detroit cats rolled out deep... Soooo deep to support and represent at suburban jams. The first Michigan Matchups brought out CJ and a bunch of guys from Detroit. That was ridiculous to see... no money, no judges, not even a comp. Just a shitty stereo, crowded as f*ck, and people rockin beats.
I look back at my arrogance and wish I would have kept my mouth shut more and listened to people like Cryzko and Blackout. Even if they sounded crazy or angry at the time, I think there was always some important message behind it. People have a tendency to take Detroit for granted when they have convenient excuses like it being an hour away or work or their mom. That shit can be organized and planned. Even a trip once a month, or once every 2 months, once ever is feasible if people really wanted to support. Setting up communications, having a place to crash, or having a tour guide isn't difficult if people put in minimal effort.
Our crew performed with JussCuzz for about a year at the Casinos down there. It sucked because I would have to leave straight from full time work as an Engineer in Rochester Hills, get my gear, pickup the crew, head to Detroit and straight into a show. Then we'd practice about 4 times a week in Troy, I taught dance 3 times a week in Rochester Hills, and about once a month we'd go to Detroit to help Juss teach these 3 broke poor as kids in Detroit.
Now that I'm across the country, Detroit isn't something I can take for granted. It's not even an option.
Maybe a basic message is that more recently now, bboys are missing out on the D. And people won't know what they're missing until they make the attempt to experience it for themselves. Like I said before, if people really want to help then there shouldn't be any excuses. Both sides need to do what it takes to make shit happen....
....uphill, both ways, in the snow, year round. Hahaha.
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Post by cryzko on Mar 28, 2010 15:46:01 GMT -5
werd.... case in point... i don't have issues with the burbs....nor the people..... the handful of heads that rep'd the D have supported other events..i.e. sponsoring/judging/contacts/etc...... it just seems like it gets to become 1 sided at times...
as for being scared/intimidated about the D/etc..... get over it.... i'm more scared of the po-po in the burbs than the street cats in the D...just saying... ;P
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Post by reazon on Mar 29, 2010 0:46:26 GMT -5
i'm a bboy because i like to BATTLE ALL THE TIME.
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Mar 29, 2010 4:40:20 GMT -5
i'm a bboy because i like to BATTLE ALL THE TIME. You're a steamed bbq pork bun. Did you move back to Michigan?
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