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Post by blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah on Jun 20, 2007 18:23:32 GMT -5
u know i've been checkin this forum for years now and this is definatly tha best thread i've seen on here. i like that everyone is expressin there different views. i can't say i agree with all of them, but i've never wanted to come home and check a thread untill this one. i know that sounds wierd but this thread has truly invoked a lot of different thoughts and opinions so i thank everyone for that.
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Post by D Raw on Jun 21, 2007 12:30:12 GMT -5
Bboying is not all of hip hop, but it has been and will continue to be the gateway into hip hop for many others in the future. Kids who start bboying will want to learn more about its origins, and then they will share it with their friends. Therefore, when the bboying community grows or there is a new jam springing up, hip hop has grown and its potential to grow bigger has too. How can that not be signifcant?
I interpret your statements as saying that I will never be real or respected unless I follow the guidelines you are putting, like going to those shows and being in bad areas where people are getting shanked. If hip hop just stayed in the hood, it would never have reached the international level. That growth has allowed continued innovation and elevation of the creative expression.
What if a new kid grew up in the middle of no where, like North Dakota or some other country where there was absolutely no hip hop scene, but he learned about hip hop and love it? DOes he have no chance of being genunine as you put it, since his circumstances did not allow him to meet J Dilla? From what I read, I believe you are saying he isnt real or living hip hop, nor has the potential. Talented djs, mcs, bboys, or whatever can spring up from anywhere, and itd be a shame to shut them out since they werent from areas that you could live it and follow others examples.
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Post by leadright on Jun 21, 2007 12:31:14 GMT -5
bboys are a bunch of little bitches
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Post by chucky on Jun 21, 2007 13:00:53 GMT -5
Jason you honestly have to be one of the most passionate people about hiphop that I know, thats undeniable and appreciated. Although, you’re missing my point, Hiphop actually ask more from the person then what you expect.
Hip hop can be more then what you say it is. So if you can flip what you call hiphop and have it incorporated into all aspects of life then it can be world changing. This is why Hiphop is dead. It doesn’t speak to people anymore. There is NO substantial message.
Try to consider what im saying. IF you think that there isn’t more to life then hiphop then you will miss out on potential GROWTH. Hip hop is an expression on life. Life is LIFE Not Life is hiphop! Hip hop is a tool that Helps us use LIFES lessons… Check it, It’s a deeper look into what you are describing “LIFE” as hiphop.
We are kinda saying the same thing, in that Hip hop is ME-YOU, “my life”. If you truly love it you’d be living it I agree… But what im saying is my life WILL be more then what I get out of hiphop. Im going to learn in school, opening myself up to all music, cultures, philosophy, teachings in what ever (again, other things then hiphop). But here is my point. If you can do this and take what you learn and bring it to the culture. Educate the youth, learn how to teach the culture more effectively, Bring up the LOVERS of hiphop in LIFE, not just history. Then you got educated hiphop heads who own companies that can open up community centers in the hood or where ever. They are now positioned to DO WHAT THEY LOVE, which is do hiphop and it be more then for yourself. There are no limitations to what an educated hiphop head can do for his people. But he has to step out of the norm or what he thinks life is about and learn from all aspects of life. I mean honestly, you really think the smartest people in the world will only be in hiphop? Ask yourself why hiphop is the greatest culture? If it doesn’t include my type of hiphop then shit dude, FUCK HIPHOP….To the public Its just a culture of jaded people in the hood trying to relive what their parents hoped their kids could break away from. Break away from but still be aware of the culture and keep the traditions alive. The traditions you talk about are necessary and should be reinacted in battles, events, comps, what ever. this keeps the culture alive and rooted but it cant stop there. Right now hip hop can be selfish, hard, unapproachable, and selective. Which is wack! And hiphop will eventually die, its already happening.
sorry but i think the type of hiphop you describe is mediocre, when compared to what hiphop is capable of. We shouldn’t start off by saying, Rep hiphop the way its been done in the past. Instead, become a noble representative of life in the hip hop culture. If we think more like this then Hiphop has a chance to actually break segregation, racism, ignorance, etc… And those types of problems are bigger then hiphop, wouldn’t you agree. So what if you can do something about it with hiphop? Then Hiphop isn’t just about repping a culture it’s a movement. Im sure you agree that Hiphop is world changing and its a good thing. Im just saying unless you are a good person who has substance then having hiphop stem from you isnt all that matters. Hiphop needs to change positively so we get good stemming hiphop heads. So once again their is more to hiphop, their is that individual that needs to consider everything else. (this is so fucking vage..lol)
Im just just trying to encourage ya’ll and challenge others to open their minds and just be actively curious. I love hiphop and im learning more about it as I go but those are just facts and a history lesson. Im more about using this culture and give back in anyway I can…. Which a lot of our Michigan hiphop heads DON’T FEEL OBLIGATED TO DO, this is wack. =( Love the discussion guys! and i hope im not getting preachy... Its all love ya'll I think im getting too deep! sorry! this is why i dont post.... LOL
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Jun 21, 2007 17:38:54 GMT -5
Oh shit. What crew motha sucka? I dare you to say it. I double dog dare you, hahaha....ok, I'm done.
....this post is ridiculously dope. Kind of curious what some other people think, besides tools like Epic and Bill. BONG!!!
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Post by RJ (NOT reazon) on Jun 21, 2007 22:44:41 GMT -5
damn...some of you write too much!! i can't keep up!! lol. it's all good though. if you got something you think is important to say, then DEFINATELY say it. it's nice to see this kind of contribution to this forum; it's been really dull. it's also nice to see where this topic started and where it is now.
(this is kind of what everyone else is saying but whatever. it's kind of corny too)
i think we need to allow hip hop to grow by taking in and giving out. think of hip hop like america for example. america (when it was first established) wanted EVERYONE: the weak, the poor, etc. they wanted it's future culture to be diverse and therefore great...and it is compared to other countries that didn't have this goal in mind when they were first established. at the same time, they wanted it to be a "city upon a hill" (or something like that) meaning they wanted to be the ones to set an example for the rest of the world. some think that we are a bad example but we ARE the example none the less. it's through this process of unselfish giving and productive taking that has made us last for so long.
think of this same concept with hip hop. allow it to take in other cultures but also allow it to spread and maintain it's general structure.
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Post by Schwan on Jun 22, 2007 14:09:36 GMT -5
Chucky just killed it. If that isn't an explanation into what road we should all be seeing hip hop going down, then I don't know what is. It isn't just about the roots and living like they did, it's about realizing that they made mistakes and we will too. It's about the assimilation of other styles, arts, sounds and people into this to make it something more then just what the public sees it as, which isn't very positive. And it's about the personal growth of everyone of us, using hip hop as a means to greater things, just like Chucky said.
Counter points, anyone?
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Post by cryzko on Jun 22, 2007 16:47:36 GMT -5
my eyes hurt.......
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Post by blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah on Jun 24, 2007 16:42:21 GMT -5
i agree with ur aspect of hip hop bein in all aspects of life, i just did'nt agree with u sayin theres more to life then hip hop.
draw, i don't mean to say u have to go to tha ghetto tobe hip hop, i just used my experiance to make my point, u keep goin back to breakin jams, yes ur right there springin up eveyday, yes breakin is a gateway to hip hop, but once again ur not understandin what i'm sayin that hip hop is more then just breakin, yes i do think if u don't support local dj nights or shows ur not bein real about hip hop, cause without supportin all aspects of hip hop tha scene will die, u may not think that, but if u look at tha hip hop scene in michigan it's almost dead, i remember st.andrews back in tha day when houseshoes use to spin every friday night and all that was there were dancers and people who were down for good music and a good vibe, u would just catch common or questlove just chillin like they were from tha d, now we don't have anything like that, if u try to start something like that then all tha supposed breakers,djs,mcs graff writers and straight up heads don't wanna support. also downtown detroit is far from tha ghetto and personally i've never seen u at a hip[ hop night or show in detroit, so why is that? hey i know i can't make it to a2 all tha time cause i don't have a reliable car and it's 45 minutes away, but i know uve seen me up there on more then one occasion, u know why cause i luv hip hop and want to support all aspects of it, now if u think i'm sayin ur not hip hop then hey maybe ur thinkin that cause ur really not,thats how people tend to think when there bein fake, keep in mind i have never said draw is not hip hop, i just say i know i'm about hip hop, i know i rep. u can't say anything different. prove me wrong show up to an event thats not a breakin jam, support tha michigan scene as u so often preach. i said what i had to say. if u don't like it o well. i could care less about some kid tryin to say he's hip hop and i only care about tha people who show they luv hip hop.
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Post by cryzko on Jun 24, 2007 17:31:18 GMT -5
my point of view.....take it how u want
to me.... hip hop is a culture....... thats that...
me trying to create myself is a lifestyle....
i partake in the "hip hop" realm ......
i partake in the "architecture/design" realm......
i partake in the realm of creating myself through my interests....
there will always be the arguement of real hip hop and this and that
cats still argue about where poppin started from...west coast/east coast/etc.....
who the fuk cares....just partake in what interests you and what will help create your self image....
i know cats that are poppers/bboys but they dance to funk.....house/dnb/etc
i know mc's that are engineers and bboys in the graphic field....
we all partake a certain interest in the "culture" and give back to it in a way we see fit.......
most cats might like the "culture" but dont do anything in the "culture"..... others try to do some aspects in the "culture" but realize that that aspect doesnt fit them...... i.e. popper to bboy/etc....
if you look at some hip hop events/shows/etc.... you will notice that cats are smoking weed and drinking....is that part of the culture?... no, it might be an outlet for them or a time to relax and enjoy the moment..... if i dont smoke/drink does that make me less "hip hop"?...
there's alot of people that like culture but all in all, we all have different views and what we intend on getting out of it....
for instance, for me.... i make trophies/etc for the events to help out and help spread :2:37am: .... i also help with event planning and judges..... because i know alot of cats.... and it's a way to give back and make the scene grow.......
there are reasons why i stopped judging events....... and why i stopped doing other things....but that doesnt make me less of a figure in the culture.......
there are others in the "culture" that have moved on with their lives.... i.e. families/jobs/etc...... they still have a passion for the "culture" but their life isnt based off of the "culture"....
if i was a promoter then maybe i would need to know the industry and mc's to create an event....... but all in all...... we as individuals create a whole and find that passion that makes us search for more...
time/environment/exposure/era is a factor in how each person has experienced the "culture"
bboys used to break at raves...so does that make them ravers?
cats from nyc have a different perspective than cats from detroit/miami/l.a.
dances emerged from different area and evolve by pioneers that found that interest...
in 20 years cats will be speaking about breaking at certain clubs just like how i could talk about st.andrews in the 90's, velvet lounge (which was a house club on sundays), mahogany, better days, etc....
cryzko
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Post by Padlock on Jun 24, 2007 18:05:37 GMT -5
Hey Mr. Freeze, whats wrong with bboys in Germany uprocking to F'n Donna Summers
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Jun 25, 2007 6:26:10 GMT -5
i agree with ur aspect of hip hop bein in all aspects of life, i just did'nt agree with u sayin theres more to life then hip hop. draw, i don't mean to say u have to go to tha ghetto tobe hip hop, i just used my experiance to make my point, u keep goin back to breakin jams, yes ur right there springin up eveyday, yes breakin is a gateway to hip hop, but once again ur not understandin what i'm sayin that hip hop is more then just breakin, yes i do think if u don't support local dj nights or shows ur not bein real about hip hop, cause without supportin all aspects of hip hop tha scene will die, u may not think that, but if u look at tha hip hop scene in michigan it's almost dead, i remember st.andrews back in tha day when houseshoes use to spin every friday night and all that was there were dancers and people who were down for good music and a good vibe, u would just catch common or questlove just chillin like they were from tha d, now we don't have anything like that, if u try to start something like that then all tha supposed breakers,djs,mcs graff writers and straight up heads don't wanna support. also downtown detroit is far from tha ghetto and personally i've never seen u at a hip[ hop night or show in detroit, so why is that? hey i know i can't make it to a2 all tha time cause i don't have a reliable car and it's 45 minutes away, but i know uve seen me up there on more then one occasion, u know why cause i luv hip hop and want to support all aspects of it, now if u think i'm sayin ur not hip hop then hey maybe ur thinkin that cause ur really not,thats how people tend to think when there bein fake, keep in mind i have never said draw is not hip hop, i just say i know i'm about hip hop, i know i rep. u can't say anything different. prove me wrong show up to an event thats not a breakin jam, support tha michigan scene as u so often preach. i said what i had to say. if u don't like it o well. i could care less about some kid tryin to say he's hip hop and i only care about tha people who show they luv hip hop. Easy there hip hop head. If you find yourself excluding people, calling people fake, or see that you're getting offended you might want to check that before you unconciously flip a switch and start the online shanking... hehehe. If I had to interpret what Dara is trying to say: its that by throwing jams Dara is sparking kids to become bboys. As a gateway into hip hop, Dara has essentially brought kids to that gateway. That is how he has decided to better his community. Now, if you want hip hop to grow so badly, then why don't you meet Dara halfway and start bringing those prepped kids from being bboys into being hip hop heads? my point of view.....take it how u want to me.... hip hop is a culture....... thats that... me trying to create myself is a lifestyle.... i partake in the "hip hop" realm ...... i partake in the "architecture/design" realm...... i partake in the realm of creating myself through my interests.. there will always be the arguement of real hip hop and this and that cats still argue about where poppin started from...west coast/east coast/etc..... who the fuk cares....just partake in what interests you and what will help create your self image.... i know cats that are poppers/bboys but they dance to funk.....house/dnb/etc i know mc's that are engineers and bboys in the graphic field.... we all partake a certain interest in the "culture" and give back to it in a way we see fit....... most cats might like the "culture" but dont do anything in the "culture"..... others try to do some aspects in the "culture" but realize that that aspect doesnt fit them...... i.e. popper to bboy/etc.... cryzko I agree. I personally get irritated when people try to create lines and boundaries for others to live by. I think its more important to be supportive and thankful for the things that individuals can contribute, whether it be a little or all of their efforts to this culture.
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Post by Scotty Pimppen RTC on Jun 25, 2007 13:58:06 GMT -5
"I, Afrika Bambaataa, have heard it all, read it all, in many magazines throughout the world, and seen almost all in this continuing bullshit about which rappers are better, east coast v west coast, Miami bass hip-hop is bullshit, British Rappers sound funny rapping, electro funk, techno rappers are soft, I like hardcore rap and beats, this one group is like that, old school vs new school, Rap wouldn't be rap if it wasn't for the battles, I'm the quickest, baddest rapper, deejay around, Go Go music in Washington D. C. is dead. It's all about hip-house or house music all night long. I dis you, you dis me, my crew will take you out or kick your ass, fuck this or that, Nigger, Bitch, Nigguz, Nigguh, Hoe, Hooker, Bitches with Problems, Hoes with Attitudes. Just look at yourselves, sounding like a bunch of fools, who really don't have any true knowledge of self and knowledge of hip-hop culture and what it's all about. First of all, let me tell you that the music (beats) that makes up hip-hop, comes from different nationalities and races, especially from black people, and if you think I am a brother who don't know what he is talking about, just check out many of the music, beats, grooves and sounds that many of your rappers use to make their records or rap over. Hip-hop music in general is colorless and not racist. It comes from many categories in music, for example: Hip-hop music is made up from other forms of music like funk, soul, rhythm & blues, jazz, rock heavy metal, salsa, soca (calypso), TV shows, kiddie shows, horror movies, techno, pop, disco, african, arabic, reggae -etc. . . . and if you use any records from these categories, you will see that the music is made by people from different races or nationalities from all over the planet, but it's roots start with black people.
I have read many interviews by different rap groups throughout the world, just to see where their heads are at, whether they are really knowledgeable about hip-hop music/culture or whether they are just plain assholes. Many of the rappers will down(dis) another rapper because he or she wanted to experiment with hip-hop by singing or adding a different sound in hip-hop to create something new. When are all of you in the hip-hop world going to 'wake up'? You love to keep dissing each other for nothing and if you were wise in your disrespect of each other, you would know how to make money with respecting your disrespect of each other, if you truly understand what I am saying.
Many who are into hip-hop or part of hip-hop culture throughout the world need a check up from the neck up. In fact, and in truth, the whole human family needs one. Everyone needs to check up on their own roots and culture and seek the real truths on life on this so-called planet Earth. Knowledge, wisdom, and understanding, facts and truths about black, brown, red, yellow and white people and not that brainwash white supremacy shit that white people in power have taught all over the world and to their own people of the so called planet Earth.
Yes there are many wrongs in the worldwide hip-hop community, but there are also many aspects of positivity within the hip-hop community that the media or trade magazines rarely focus upon. Many of you in hip-hop culture don't even listen to the rappers who are trying hard to wake your asses up to what is going on in the bigger scale than of what you see in your neighborhoods, their message goes in one ear and out the other.
The media does play a big role in destroying the hip-hop culture movement, but many of you in the hip-hop community are the biggest enemies of hip-hop and you will be the ones who will help the enemies of hip-hop to destroy it, or to bring it back underground, because of your ignorance of knowledge of hip-hop. This has started the difference between 'old school' and 'new school'. To myself (Afrika Bambaataa) there is only one school and that's the learning, evolving, going through the different phases or cycles school of hip-hop. That is the real hip-hop school. A lot of you in the world of hip-hop better start looking at the problems in your own backyard as well as the world, because while you are enjoying yourselves etc. there are many plots being sprung to destroy hip-hop in the world. Because many people in government look at hip-hop music and its culture as a radical music that gets straight to the point and music that will wake up the youth and young adults throughout the world. They can also use hip-hop to backfire and destroy itself. You can believe what I'm saying. But time will tell and I see what you see not.
Peace be unto you, Your brother In music and faith, Afrika Bambaataa."
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Post by blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah on Jun 25, 2007 15:55:41 GMT -5
once again my main point is that for tha culture to grow u need to support all aspects of hip hop, now yes people could have come to mta and said yes i wanna start breakin, but just because of that does'nt mean there hip hop or about hip hop, i met people that wanted me to teach them breakin cause they wanted to look cool at a club, they did'nt care about tha culture, personally i support everything that i can in michigan but otha supposed heads don't, i'm stating thats not right, now go ahead with tha verbal shankin if u want cause personally i don't care, i was jusr responding to what dara said, if u want me to be honest yes i do think there r people in michigan who break who arew'nt hip hop heads, yes to me thats bullshit cause what do u really stand for, if u don't care about hip hop then why break, u can't have one without tha otha, i'm not sayin if u break u can't listen to house or techno, i'm sayin that those genres have there own culture, i know cats that are straight up house heads who just dance and listen to house, now there not out there sayin look i'm a breaker, no they say imma house dancer, as far as defining things, do u not define yourself as a bboy, or a graff writer or an mc or a dj, to me thats defining something. so don't say i'm defining something, hip hop is defined as a culture and a genre. let me just ask u this question, in tha morning u wake up, if u turn on some music what is it? now me it's always hip hop, when i go to bed it's always hip hop, when i'm at work i'm thinkin bout hip hop, i'm defining my status in tha culture, how is someone thats into rock n roll hip hop, how is someone into classical music hip hop, there not, people that r into hip hop listen and know tha culture.
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Post by blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah on Jun 25, 2007 15:58:38 GMT -5
has anyone met bambaata, he's a crazy dude, mad fun to talk to, i know he loves star trek.
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