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Post by blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah on Aug 6, 2007 17:15:51 GMT -5
personally i think kmel is one of the best breakers i've seen in person, but i don't know of him really bein into otha elements of hip hop, now that does'nt mean that he is not respected or into other elements of hip hop. cause in graff peoples real identities are not common knowledge, same with mc and dj's i.e names like kmel, wich i'm sure is not his real name, so to say that he's not respected in those elements is not totally a true statement, now remember i could be wrong, i do understand were he's tryin to come from, cause breakin does put your body under alot of stress, like me i have a bad knee, i messed my hand/wrist up at mighty 4, now i also em a graff writer, i personalkly have never hurt myself out writin but i know people who have, i guess what i'm tryin to say is that with any element just like life anything could happin.
now while i see where he's comin from i don't neccasarilly agree with it, but what i do agree with is that expression should'nt be judged as long as your stayin true to the art form, you can't paint a picture on canvas and call it a sculpture, i think the same applies to everything inlife.
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Post by DOSE on Aug 7, 2007 13:44:55 GMT -5
i dont have time for all the english class 101 shit like antarez said make a point clear and fast and people like us can understand you guys on here,
tryin to read these essay style feelings yall have just make it hard for me, i get board aint no one over here tryin to disect your thopughts
peace out
its like tryin to understand fidel when he does that
maybe i need to go back to school
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Post by Schwan on Aug 7, 2007 16:50:33 GMT -5
Wow...so people complain it's boring in here. So, a topic is brought up, discussed, then shot down for trying to actually reach something beyond, "yo, this is wack, i dont care what you say" or "yo, this shit is dope, I dont care what you say". Both sides of this discussion have been explained and it seemed like we were actually gaining ground on a new subject when more people complain.
If you don't want to discuss something, don't post. Simple! I respect your opinion and if you want to speak/post it, we would all like to see it. This is a public forum and people come here for public thoughts in this community. I'm not saying shut up, simply stay relevant and we'll all learn. If you don't understand something, instead of telling us to dumb it down or whatever you might feel....ask. I have NO problem explaining my stance and I highly doubt anyone else who has posted would.
Maybe this post is too long as well.
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Post by Banana on Aug 7, 2007 16:59:03 GMT -5
Fine, I'll make my post clear and strong, and uber short, typical bboy style (even if it's completely devoid of any evidence):
My devil's advocate post condensed:
Kmel knows what he's talking about. Bboyin is the hardest hip hop element. Anyone who disagrees needs to learn their history, cuz they ain't a real bboy.
Seriously:
How are we supposed to take a complicated question and state an answer in a few sentences? My post WAS short, there were loopholes abundant in my argument, and I didn't bother filling them because it was already 2 paragraphs long.....(which is an exceedingly short amount of room to make a decent argument).
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Aug 7, 2007 22:02:06 GMT -5
I personally enjoy seeing people post well thought out ideas and opinions. For me, it's worth the time to read these long posts because I get to see how the people of our scene think and how they want to effect everything around them. In addition, sometimes we get rare words of wisdom from some oldshool cats. An example would be Cryzko, who actively posts. And I think words of wisdom should have all the time needed to get a good point across.....
And yeah, if you guys want to make your posts short and sweet then do it. No one here is going to stop you....
At any rate, thanks for trying to read everything. Yo Dose, how are you going to tear on Fidel? That cat's mad dope and hell yeah he should go back to school. Hahahah.
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Post by Banana on Aug 7, 2007 22:52:02 GMT -5
maybe we just need a new topic. english.seoul.go.kr/today/news/new_abroad/1245771_13495.htmlGood or bad? I'm personally a big fan of seeing interactions between our art and other environments. I think it'd be dope as hell if the US Dept. of Commerce decided to sponsor American bboys. We'd never have to worry about funding for MTA or anything, that's for sure.... Unfortunately I think Korea has an advantage we don't; lack of a negative history associated with breakin. Though I think promotion on this level is the antithesis of where a lot of OG's believe the art should end up due to previous problems with public approval on such scales....
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Aug 8, 2007 2:30:09 GMT -5
Sweetness. I don't think it's suprising at all that the government and society supports Korean bboying. It seems like they've taken many of the positive aspects of bboying and blended it with the positive aspects of Korean culture. It leaves so much room for progress, growth and incorporation of other art forms and people.
The typically portrayed American version of bboying essentially excludes, bad mouths, and denies respect to other art forms and people. I think if we took that to any other culture, we would get the same results as we have gotten here, which is a bunch of doors closed in our faces.
I think if we are to be successful with bboying in conjunction with the U.S. government we need to prove that our art is no longer represented by a majority of wanna-be ganster-shank-you dancers.
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Post by ANTAREZ on Aug 8, 2007 7:51:15 GMT -5
I understand were all u guys are commin from but then like at times we tend to get off topic and talk about something else and that is like where the F*** did that come from you know what i mean
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Aug 8, 2007 11:09:22 GMT -5
I understand
translation: word
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Post by blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah on Aug 8, 2007 17:56:29 GMT -5
it would be awsome if that happened in america, but the thing is that every breaker i know is the wanna shank you type, cause as i previously stated hip hop comes from the hood, most breakers that i've met across the country are from that enviroment, man half of them are actually ex gang members, breakin took them away from that life style, but as people say you can take someone out tha hood but you can't take tha hood out of someone, i'm a firm beleiver in that.
now i'm not sayin every breaker is like that, cause the other half i've met aren't, but that stigma is always gonna be around breakers cause you have mc's who rap about the hood, you have the dj's spinnin there music, the writers are bombin tha hood, to be honest no one is gonna look at breakin apart from that cause breakin is hip hop.
now people can promote a "good" side to hip hop but frankly i think everything about hip hop is good even if it comes from negative, if you listen to mc rap or listen to graff artist, breakers storys of bad you can learn from what there sayin. i think it's cool that the korean government supports hip hop, but i altimitly think thats there way of controling it. i could be wrong, but right now in america theres a big problem that people have with rappers usin profanities, so if the government were to help breakers of hip hop in general i think they might use that to try and control peoples creativity. i don't think that would be a good thing cause not all mc's who use fowl language are sayin negative things towards women etc... same with breakers, graff artist, djs.
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Post by ANTAREZ on Aug 8, 2007 20:14:58 GMT -5
it would be awsome if that happened in america, but the thing is that every breaker i know is the wanna shank you type, cause as i previously stated hip hop comes from the hood, most breakers that i've met across the country are from that enviroment, man half of them are actually ex gang members, breakin took them away from that life style, but as people say you can take someone out tha hood but you can't take tha hood out of someone, i'm a firm beleiver in that. now i'm not sayin every breaker is like that, cause the other half i've met aren't, but that stigma is always gonna be around breakers cause you have mc's who rap about the hood, you have the dj's spinnin there music, the writers are bombin tha hood, to be honest no one is gonna look at breakin apart from that cause breakin is hip hop. now people can promote a "good" side to hip hop but frankly i think everything about hip hop is good even if it comes from negative, if you listen to mc rap or listen to graff artist, breakers storys of bad you can learn from what there sayin. i think it's cool that the korean government supports hip hop, but i altimitly think thats there way of controling it. i could be wrong, but right now in america theres a big problem that people have with rappers usin profanities, so if the government were to help breakers of hip hop in general i think they might use that to try and control peoples creativity. i don't think that would be a good thing cause not all mc's who use fowl language are sayin negative things towards women etc... same with breakers, graff artist, djs. Isn't this comment supposed to be on are bboys bad people
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Post by cryzko on Aug 8, 2007 22:23:33 GMT -5
dance=interpretations with your abilities
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Post by leadright on Aug 9, 2007 14:00:26 GMT -5
you're all wack
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Post by ANTAREZ on Aug 9, 2007 14:23:24 GMT -5
Suck it
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Post by blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah on Aug 10, 2007 19:00:06 GMT -5
well antarez, i don't know you personally but i was merely statin a point about the subject that was introduced, now if you have a response thats cool, if u can't understand what i'm sayin (wich seems to be the case) thats find then ask a question. i've seen you post on this subject wich is cool but everyone is entitled to an opinion. sorry i could'nt dumb it down for you.
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