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Post by blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah on Aug 20, 2007 13:05:06 GMT -5
i'd like to hear everyones opinion if they think all the elements are still keepin it fresh with different styles lyrics, beats etc...or if there is no originality left.
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Post by ANTAREZ on Aug 20, 2007 16:23:23 GMT -5
i think the originality is there but just hiddin but still used for the foundation of it that goes with every thing know what i mean
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Post by cryzko on Aug 20, 2007 16:50:31 GMT -5
everything evolves..... it's the foundations that keeps it together
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Post by Seoul on Aug 21, 2007 9:45:44 GMT -5
^^ That's so true, the evolution though is the only thing that keeps it fresh/up to date/original.
As far as emceeing goes, there are so many aspects that evolve as well, as far as wordplay and multis which help vari up your flow and punchlines etc. Depending on the type of lyrics that your into. Also there are so many sub-genre's of all genres of music which help keep everything fresh. For example: Hip hop has got Rap, but then rap has got battle raps, club, crunk etc...
With bboying again it's broken down with style and power, both of em have got their foundation, but now a days there are so many variations of both, which keeps em original, with power, theres new body gestures, ways into, ways out, etc. style just stays fresh depending on the beat playing.
Originality will always be around, just because no matter what everything evolves from where it is now.
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Post by Tom on Aug 21, 2007 13:56:58 GMT -5
to be 100% honest i dont know the other elements enough to really give a really good, solid opinion, but ill throw it out there anyway based on what i DO know and see/hear. that said though, all the graff i see looks different to me (ya...thats the best i can do in that department), and I feel like a lot of Dj's are coming out and doing a lot of shit i've never heard/seen. De Leon, Lil Lean, Getum Gump, Basic; all of them are coming out with new mixes and new beats and new combinations on a regualar basis. I think 'good' dj's always have been and will continue to be original in that sense. as for emceeing, the mainstream rappers get shit points for originality. granted theres only so much u could sing about, every fucking song on the radio is exactly the same. and they all suck. beats are ugly, and the lyrics are all about bitches, kicking ur ass and 'buyin u a drink' (i hate that song and i hate his voice, lol). now, im sure that somewhere theres real emcees holdin it down, but i havent heard um. then again, real hip-hop emcees wouldnt survive in the mainstream, theres not a market. all popular 'hip-hop' is now is something with sub-par vocals and a beat that u can play in a club. That said, the new Krs-One and new-ish Nas cd's are good, and funny how they contradict each other. Nas'; Hip Hop is Dead, and Krs-One; Hip Hop Lives. Now Bboying... though i know a lot of people would disagree i feel like bboying is coming to an all-time high, with the upcoming freestyle session as the pinnacle. There are so many bboys out there now, in every part of the world, with each region really showcasing their own unique style. Japan, Brazil, New York, LA, Miami, Canada, Russia, South Africa, bunch of places in Europe; Cambodia; bboying is being repped hard on an major international level. while in bboying also, there are only so many different freezes, tricks, etc u can come up with; like Cryzko said, its still managing to evole. people are still coming up with shit no ones ever done, or putting it into new combinations etc. if u were to compare the upcoming freestyle session 10th anny to freestyle session 6 or 7, ull see how much bboying has changed, and how much higher the level of competition has become. in that sense; yes, i think for the most part bboys and girls are keepin it fresh now this could really be its own topic, but cryzko/seoul/antarez's topic kinda reminded me of it. another thing that is keeping bboys on their toes now, that to me shows a progression, is that u can no longer be one dimensional dancer and expect to win at a competitive level. what i mean by that is that u can be a great style head, u can be a great power head, u can have the sickest tricks in the world; but if u are not well versed in everything, not strong in ur foundation; u cannot win. the best bboys in the world are those who do have everything, and who consistently throw each of the individual parts of what bboying has evolved into as a whole into every run they put down. like people who are like "YA STYLE BABY REAL SHIT!!" i mean, that was a good run, ur foundations are dope. but if u get stuck in that kinda mindset ull never get better. cuz fact is; bboying, like everything, is evolving. yes, the foundations are an absolute neccesity, but i feel like now-days if ur not at least attempting the new shit; big tricks, explosive power; if ur not well rounded, u lose. but i think that argument will come up very soon; becuz me and sean were talkin a little bit about it at session. for ex. one guy throws down a dope run with strong foundations and hits beats and ends in a chair freeze. then another guy does some good foundation floorwork, then hits some flares and ends in an air chair. who wins? ya the first guy had dope foundations and showed his understanding of the dance, but the second guy showed what the dance has evolved into, and, in my opinion, at a higher level of difficulty. how do u decide what trumps what? idk something to think about
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Post by kasual on Aug 21, 2007 17:34:39 GMT -5
If it doesn't inspire ya to -break- then it probably doesn't have the flava that is bboying manifested. That's why style is so important, because it's what makes bboying bboying. The powermoves and the freezes whatnot are a beneficial addition to it that are a part of the plethora, but foundation is da key. It's nothing without style, it doesn't go the other way. ~ Kas
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Post by blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah on Aug 21, 2007 17:55:02 GMT -5
another reason i started this topic is because i've noticed that in the last 5 years breakin has been about fads, first there was the abstract circus style, now it's the im tryin to be from 1982 style, i personally think it's holding breakin back cause now you can have dope footwork/foundation but not know a single move and be thought of as sweet, the reason i first thought of this is in the last 3-4 months i've been travelin to chicago and practicing with brickheadz, the one thinbg i notice is that at practice people i used to see doin crazy shit are know doin nothin but footwork sacrificcing what i thought was there own original style, now thats why i've gained respect for brickheadz cause they keep it real with still breakin how you've always seen them break, now thats just one example, but it really made me think about originality and bein true to who you are as a breaker.
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Post by kasual on Aug 21, 2007 18:25:28 GMT -5
Yeah but the fad thing you're referencing seems to be a strictly Michigan thing; I haven't noticed it in Chicago or other bigger places I trekked in the past few years. ~ Kas
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Aug 21, 2007 22:11:47 GMT -5
another reason i started this topic is because i've noticed that in the last 5 years breakin has been about fads, first there was the abstract circus style, now it's the im tryin to be from 1982 style, i personally think it's holding breakin back cause now you can have dope footwork/foundation but not know a single move and be thought of as sweet, the reason i first thought of this is in the last 3-4 months i've been travelin to chicago and practicing with brickheadz, the one thinbg i notice is that at practice people i used to see doin crazy shit are know doin nothin but footwork sacrificcing what i thought was there own original style, now thats why i've gained respect for brickheadz cause they keep it real with still breakin how you've always seen them break, now thats just one example, but it really made me think about originality and bein true to who you are as a breaker. I agree with you. Breakin as a whole has had attention deficit. Fads are continually coming and going. And it definately involves more than Michigan. The fads seem to come and go on a global basis. I can recall the power phase, which peeked with the Koreans essentially destroying the world. There was the emergence of the tricks and freezes, threads, circus style, and now it's excessive emphasis on foundation. I'm actually hoping that this excessive emphasis on foundation will fade a little soon. Foundation is absolutely neccessary, but frankly I'm sick of seeing these hardcore foundation heads judge other bboys with so much dicrimination and prejudice. Overall, I think the fads are great. It allows us to see the creativity of the world and how we interpret breakin differently. And since the level of breakin seems to continually get higher, I can't see too many negative things that will come from the style diversity. Personally I'm waiting for the tops fad to hit. Then we can start recognizing DoKnock and Free for holding it down for all these years.....
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Post by cryzko on Aug 21, 2007 23:39:34 GMT -5
not sure about the different 'styles' in breakin...
but i know in poppin' there's like at least 15-20 'styles' in which each has it's own foundation based from the foundation of the 'pop/hit'
scarecrow toyman boogaloo tuts waves liquid animation tickin' etc....
there is fads in poppin..... right now it tends to be boogaloo and tuttin.... fine by me........
what ever floats your boat......
b
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Post by ANTAREZ on Aug 22, 2007 4:06:31 GMT -5
another reason i started this topic is because i've noticed that in the last 5 years breakin has been about fads, first there was the abstract circus style, now it's the im tryin to be from 1982 style, i personally think it's holding breakin back cause now you can have dope footwork/foundation but not know a single move and be thought of as sweet, the reason i first thought of this is in the last 3-4 months i've been travelin to chicago and practicing with brickheadz, the one thinbg i notice is that at practice people i used to see doin crazy shit are know doin nothin but footwork sacrificcing what i thought was there own original style, now thats why i've gained respect for brickheadz cause they keep it real with still breakin how you've always seen them break, now thats just one example, but it really made me think about originality and bein true to who you are as a breaker. I agree with you. Breakin as a whole has had attention deficit. Fads are continually coming and going. And it definately involves more than Michigan. The fads seem to come and go on a global basis. I can recall the power phase, which peeked with the Koreans essentially destroying the world. There was the emergence of the tricks and freezes, threads, circus style, and now it's excessive emphasis on foundation. I'm actually hoping that this excessive emphasis on foundation will fade a little soon. Foundation is absolutely neccessary, but frankly I'm sick of seeing these hardcore foundation heads judge other bboys with so much dicrimination and prejudice. Overall, I think the fads are great. It allows us to see the creativity of the world and how we interpret breakin differently. And since the level of breakin seems to continually get higher, I can't see too many negative things that will come from the style diversity. Personally I'm waiting for the tops fad to hit. Then we can start recognizing DoKnock and Free for holding it down for all these years..... hey LunchBox Jams i was interested in what u were sayin but i wanna under stand more of the discrimination and prejudice u are talkin about its not about race its about style if i am correct am i right i wanna know how u feel about it
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Aug 22, 2007 8:44:50 GMT -5
Antarez: I'll definately fill you in on my opinions. Ofcourse I don't mean any sort of racial discrimination.
Essentially, I believe the movement towards foundation has been so excessively emphasized, that it's created a negative effect. Some examples of the negativity can be seen where bboys who believe in foundation, only believe in foundation, and hate on anyone that decides to believe otherwise. We see it today. In the past, powerheads, tricksters, circus stylists have rarely hated on eachother to the point that we see foundation heads hating on everyone else (this statement will obviously cause controversy).
When a fad grows, it will create growth and interest in a new variation of our dance. But, what we've seen with the foundation movement is very different. All of a sudden, people were defining/redefining and creating limitations upon what we call a bboy. What started off with the good intentions of reintroducing the importance of foundation had grown out of control into telling people what they can and cannot do. And that's specifically where I draw my lines. I may hate your style, I may disagree with your style, but I should never have any right to define, disaprove, or deny you the props you've earned for being creative.
If you look at it, all other fads have contributed to growth of creativity. The history of the foundation movement is essentially bringing us back to focus on our roots of the dance. That's not necessarily bad. But if you give it too much momentum, it'll get out of control just like a mob and that can/has stunted the growth of creativity. I think that's what we've seen happen in the U.S. Talk to any foundation head and see how accepting they are of other bboys and styles.
I won't bring up specific details yet. I'll give this post time for people to respond with opinions because I'm sure they vary. If you want to know more, just let me know. Yo, thanks for the interest Antarez.
Peas.
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Post by blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah on Aug 22, 2007 8:53:10 GMT -5
very interesting, now do you people thinks it's right or bein to true to the culture if someone had there own style and then switched up to whatever style is popular?
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Post by Seoul on Aug 22, 2007 9:20:31 GMT -5
When it comes to people defining other bboy's style. Its one of those undefinable situations because you can't say that someone is wrong about their own self expression. I think that some complete style heads when confronted about other styles, they become so defensive of their own beliefs and expression that they completely forget that this dance is ALL about self expression.
And I believe that as long as your dancing for that reason, then theres no way you can't be true to the culture.
Fad's are great though. every fad has got a foundation of the fad that it's built upon which helps extend creativity and ends up with some mind blowing shit.
Like air tracks. followed by elbow tracks, followed by 1 handed tracks, toe touches, lotus tracks yadda yadda... it's amazing to see how certain things evolve.
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Post by ANTAREZ on Aug 22, 2007 13:33:50 GMT -5
thanks alot LunchBox Jams for helpin me understand everything u have talked about was very free and knowledable i have learned alot from what u are saying thank u for takin the time to educate me ;D
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