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Post by Padlock on Jun 18, 2007 21:35:43 GMT -5
like afrika bambaataa said...Just get up and dance
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Post by blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah on Jun 18, 2007 22:41:30 GMT -5
well dara, if u really read what i wrote earlier then u would have read tha part were i said this is my opinion, see i've growen up on hip hop, before i moved to tha burbs i did'nt know what metal or rock or punk really was, so i do beleive there is a difference between so called rich suburban kids and myself cause tha culture is me and i'm tha culture, i really don't think alot of people really understand that, i'm not sayin it's anyone in particular or everyone. i'm just sayin that yes u can learn about hip hop culture but are u really living it, livin it is not just supporting bboy jams but anything and everything that is hip hop in tha community, shows, nights etc.. once again i'm not sayin its everyone thats like that, see anyone can buy a epmd record and say yeah i listen to hip hop i'm part of tha culture, when in fact thats bullshit, for instence j dilla i knew him proof i knew him, i was at there funerals, cause thats my life, it's not just a culture to me, there is no differnce between my life and hip hop. u can't learn that, it's just who u are. i'm not tryin to say i'm tha hip hop god, i just like my hip hop, hip hop, not watered down with a bunch of bs. as far as graff writers i know several local writers aswell as alot of nation wide writers and they all listen to hip hop, hey they might like metal, punk, goth, but i gaurentee if u talk to them they luv hip hop, cause graff, dj,mc,breakin is all one in tha same, hip hop, to keep it really real, most people who r for instance breakers, also write graff, dj, mc, now i'm not sayin all of them but tha ones that i know do, to me thats hip hop, it all goes hand in hand, i'm not sayin there knowen mc's or dj's or graff writers, cause i'm surely not, and i rep all tha elements. once again this is me and my opinions, i'm not tryin to be negative or down other peoples opinions, cause i clearly did'nt, i'm just responding to what u said. cause i'm sure u probably don't feel tha same way, u obviously don't have to. over all tha hip hop scene in detroit is minimal so come on people start supportin so it does'nt die, also so we can attract more hip hop acts, cause thats also part of tha culture.
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Post by cryzko on Jun 18, 2007 23:19:36 GMT -5
"tis the shadow is more powerful than the obvious"
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Post by Schwan on Jun 19, 2007 10:34:08 GMT -5
well dara, if u really read what i wrote earlier then u would have read tha part were i said this is my opinion, see i've growen up on hip hop, before i moved to tha burbs i did'nt know what metal or rock or punk really was, so i do beleive there is a difference between so called rich suburban kids and myself cause tha culture is me and i'm tha culture, i really don't think alot of people really understand that, i'm not sayin it's anyone in particular or everyone. i'm just sayin that yes u can learn about hip hop culture but are u really living it, livin it is not just supporting bboy jams but anything and everything that is hip hop in tha community, shows, nights etc.. once again i'm not sayin its everyone thats like that, see anyone can buy a epmd record and say yeah i listen to hip hop i'm part of tha culture, when in fact thats bullshit, for instence j dilla i knew him proof i knew him, i was at there funerals, cause thats my life, it's not just a culture to me, there is no differnce between my life and hip hop. u can't learn that, it's just who u are. i'm not tryin to say i'm tha hip hop god, i just like my hip hop, hip hop, not watered down with a bunch of bs. as far as graff writers i know several local writers aswell as alot of nation wide writers and they all listen to hip hop, hey they might like metal, punk, goth, but i gaurentee if u talk to them they luv hip hop, cause graff, dj,mc,breakin is all one in tha same, hip hop, to keep it really real, most people who r for instance breakers, also write graff, dj, mc, now i'm not sayin all of them but tha ones that i know do, to me thats hip hop, it all goes hand in hand, i'm not sayin there knowen mc's or dj's or graff writers, cause i'm surely not, and i rep all tha elements. once again this is me and my opinions, i'm not tryin to be negative or down other peoples opinions, cause i clearly did'nt, i'm just responding to what u said. cause i'm sure u probably don't feel tha same way, u obviously don't have to. over all tha hip hop scene in detroit is minimal so come on people start supportin so it does'nt die, also so we can attract more hip hop acts, cause thats also part of tha culture. I can't fully agree with what you say here. I think the chance of understanding hip hop and the culture in the suburbs of Detroit is less than if you grew up in the D itself: Reason being is there are more acts and more people who are exposed to it directly at an earlier age. I can't say when "hip hop" and I started to be more similar then not. But basically you're saying because you DID this and DID that, that you're living a hip hop lifestyle. Personally, actions do not speak louder then words for me in this case. You had the opportunities to hang with Dilla and Proof. That means 1,000 times more to me then saying you went to their funerals. What differences do you see between suburban kids and yourself? By the way, I don't know a single bboy who is "rich" even if they live in Oakland county. I know a shit ton who work their asses off though to make ends meet, grow as people and contribute back to society with their gifts. You make more then one reference to "living it". What exactly is your definition of "living it" and why do you feel that some people aren't? Do I not carry enough cred to be defined as living a hip hop lifestyle just because I don't wear the stereotypical hip hop gear, rep at every jam, or act a certain way? I ask because your phrasing of "living it" tends to make it sound like you're the judge and jury on who is hip hop because you grew up outside of a suburb and that also makes you the model of what someone who claims to be living that lifestyle should be. It sounds like your excluding a large population of people based on their birthplace rather then what they feel. I feel hip hop. Maybe not like anyone else does but I'm glad for that. It means I have something unique to give back to the community and the culture based on what I have learned from people willing to teach and what I have learned outside of hip hop (specifically my schooling at MSU). When I found that what I loved (design, art, photography) and hip hop had a large void besides graf, I found my way to give back and help. Perhaps I'm not hip hop, but a label isn't going to define who I am. Actions won't define who I am. Living my life the way I want to, based on what I know is good and right, and contributing back in whatever way I can will.
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Post by Banana on Jun 19, 2007 11:40:38 GMT -5
I will put things as plainly as possible.
Time takes all things. Everyone have two choices:
Recognize this and adapt.
Fight this and perish.
There is no third option.
"But if those who wish to have a clear view both of the events that have happened and those which will likely occur again adjudge my history profitable, this will be enough for me. And indeed it has been composed not as an essay for the present moment, but as a prize possession for all time." [/i](1.22)
Thucydides (c. 5th cent. BC-Athens) ;D
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Post by chucky on Jun 19, 2007 12:43:24 GMT -5
yo! this is a real good topic. I have been reading but to be honest i dont know what to say because i could say alot. But Ill just say a little something about hiphop.
Hip-hop is very very young. It is a culture and it will change. Everything changes, it should. Every individual must change in order to survive. We mature and come to realizations hopefully. Hip-hop is no longer an east coast brooklyn hard knock life style. Actually hiphop was about survival too which leads to selfishness and things people ARE NOT PROUD OF because they had no choice. But Hip-hop is MORE then that now, thankfully. Hip-hop cant be put in a small box with a simple label. Hip-hop is for everyone now... its a positive tool to encourage and motivate HUMANITY to become better in all aspects in life.
If you were to ask the founders of hip-hop if they would like to see their bboys get out of the slumps and become smart adults providing for their families. Or their graff artist become more knowledgeable in all forms of art and get educated so they can do what they love for a living. MC's use their talent to bring attention to something in the world that should be noticed. (like the hood) What ever.. If you were to ask the old school founders of hip-hop those questions they would say yes. They would love to see this culture (hip-hop) changing lives, making this FUCKED UP reality a better one, and the ones closest to them to have more then the typical life they had. But Im not saying forget where you came from and have appreciation for what hip-hop went through to get here today.
Their is more to life then Hip-hop. Any intelligent founder of hip-hop who truly is living it would agree. Hip-hop is just a tool to make everything else other than Hip-hop better.... Its not about YOU the individual who likes to breakdance and thinks you have some kind of talent. ITS ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT NOW? you just want to dance on some card board? spray paint on some wall? Go to a house party and spin some dope ass tracks and dance? FUCK NO!! thats no ALL YOU SHOULD WANT TO DO. theirs more to life then that. You got your mind, friends, family, maybe the world to think about. What kind of quality of life do you want to live, and leave for your children? You want your kid to witness a guy getting shot? you think knowing facts about hip-hop history, how to airflare, or have can control will help anyone? How about are you growing as a person for the better. Have your friends noticed changes for the better in you other then hey you got windmills. Did they notice that yo your vocabulary has gotten better and you are getting better as a lyricists, because you are educating yourself. Theirs more to life then hip-hop. So in actuality maybe Jasons right todays Hip-hop isnt for everyone. Because is asks more from the person today then it did before. It challenges you to help change for the better and pass it forward. It tells you, now that you have taken from it all these years how about you give back. but not just give it back the same way you took it, but give it back better then the way you got it.
knowledge is not power, APPLIED knowledge is.
This tread isnt just about hip-hop, its about the reality of life and how Hip hop can change the world.
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Post by H! -- Bras-iLL on Jun 19, 2007 15:01:14 GMT -5
I usually always have something to say... but I didn't this time because I didn't really know where I actually stood. That is until boichucky stepped in.
:-D u nailed it dude. Resssspect! Y'all better listen to this vet, kids...
peaz
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Post by blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah on Jun 19, 2007 15:21:36 GMT -5
to answer u schwan.
anyone can learn about hip hop ur right about that, but myself i did'nt know anything but hip hop, when i say that i'm not sayin just tha music but tha culture, in detroit were i was raised thats all u heartd was hip hop, funk, soul. now someone who lives in a community were there raised different, what i mean by that is there parents listen to rock n roll, so there kids might not know anything else but rock n roll. i'm not sayin they can't learn about sopmething other then rock n roll. i'm sayin that if u say ur hip hop or u rep hip hop then why would i not see u (i don't mean u in particular just peole in general) at shows or nights that r for tha people who r in tha culture. i don't really know how to put it in words that people will understand. ur right action do speak louder then words, to be quit honest i can't say that in tha last 2 years i've seen any breakers besides myself and a few others at shows that i've been to, trust me i'm at every show in detroit and i try my best to make every show in a2 and lansing but it's hard not havin a reliable car. see i think that people think cause there a breaker or a graff artist etc.. that there automatically reppin hip hop, cause reppin it and havin it in ur thoughts,blood are way different hip hop is ur mind state, to me it's not about clothing or talkin a cerytain way, it's controls my thought and my soul, it's laid down a path for my life aswell as a sound track.
maybe it sounds like i'm judge and jury but personally i think if people feel that way and they think i'm talkin about them then maybe there understanding what i'm sayin and it made them realize that they are that person i'm talkin about. i'm definatly not judge nor jury, i'm just simply stateing my opinion. lets keep it real when people are done with tha fad of hip hop i'm still gonna be listin. see sayin ur hip hop is one thing but if u don't participate in tha hip hop community then ur not hip hop in my eyes, just goin to bboy jams is not supportin hip hop, yes it's supportin 1 aspect of hip hop, but if ur gonna half ass it then ur really not down for tha culture.
as far as tha rich kids thing, that was something draw said, i was just responding to it. i could care less if ur rich or poor, money has no effect on weather i think ur hip hop.
i'm sorry to those people who r offended but i'm just stateing my opinion of how i think hip hop is and what i think is someone who is really down for tha culture. i do realize that not everyone is gonna have tha same opinion as me nor do i wanna changes theres if it's not tha same as mine. i know my status and i know i'm ride or die for tha culture, i'm just tired of hearing i'm hip hop or i alwayz rep, when in fact none of there actions show that they are even really down. if u just learned about tha culture and u say u luv it then u should be always tryin to learn something new, weather it's were it came from or everything about tha artists of tha culture. in my opinion like i said before that means supportin tha hip hop community, not just breakin jams.
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Post by blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah on Jun 19, 2007 17:25:50 GMT -5
Their is more to life then Hip-hop. i'm sorry chucky i agree with u on everything but that. thats what i've been tryin to explain, if u are hip hop then there is'nt more to life then hip hop cause all those things that u talk about stem from u and hip hop such as like u mentioned a better life, or makin sure ur family is good, i'm talkin about hip hop bein me or u not just a culture, it's whats inside of us, hip hop motivates me to be better without it i would be empty and not want to do better for myself. i also don't believe that u have to make money or a livin breakin or writin graff etc... cause me i luv to break and rep all aspects of hip hop but i don't want to make money off of it, how many battles have u seen me enter, i break and do graff and mc and dj for tha love of my culture wich is hip hop. i'm not sayin everyone has to, if u wanna make a living doin it then be my guest, i personally will not take advantage of it like that. cause if it was'nt for people tryin to make money of it in tha first place people in tha burbs and tha world would not no about it. i do agree with u if u use ur art to teach people then u can make a differnec but in my opinion u should'nt want money.
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Jun 19, 2007 21:35:29 GMT -5
I think hip hop is saturated with people that strictly define it and want to keep it an underground thing. I think there are hardcore hip hop heads out there that want to keep it an exclusive culture in which it is hard to earn respect or even learn about it and these people literally keep the culture from progressing into success as a whole and out of the gutters of society. Listen to how many times hip hop heads will say, "that's not hip hop," as opposed to saying, "with some tweaking that would be a dope addition to hip hop."
I think this directly results in media taking advantage of the culture and raping it over and over as time passes. Kids want to learn about it, but since hip hop heads aren't making it easily accessible, the media creates a false, studio produced image of hip hop for kids to spend money on. It would be so much better if old school heads came out from the underground and positively affected the lives of kids, white, black, asian, rich, poor, whatever. If you don't want society misinterpreting your culture, then take it upon yourself to share it. I've found many people tell me that I'm not a bboy. Well that doesn't and never will do me any good. What young dancers need to hear is, "originally, this is how a bboy represented. If you want to be like that, then I can show you how." With the shitty fuckin support I got from hip hop and Michigan in the past, I took my shit to funk and house. And that's the type of bboy I want to be. Unfortunately, my experiences with hip hop heads has been nothing but roasting, lecturing, and this childish competition of who reps the hardest. Aight, with a big exception to Calvin, his peeps, Cryzko, and Eric Upshaw (DeadBeatz!). But even that took a minute to get to a point where I could comfortably ask and learn from them.
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Post by J-aura on Jun 19, 2007 21:50:36 GMT -5
I think there is a lot more to life than hip hop for most people. A majority of white kids dont start out liking hip hop until it is introduced to them at a later date in there life so before hip hop in their life their is something else. In my own life my faith is placed before hip hop, but that shouldnt make me less hip hop when hip hop accepts everyone for who they are.
Hip hop is a fickle thing it loves itself one day and cuts off its leggs the next. Hip hop ignores its family members for 10 years to just throw one of them in the spotlight after its over. Hip hop has multiple personalities, and it fights amongst them constantly. It is rich and poor, it makes money helping 1 and makes no money helping many. hip hop is a culure, hip hop is a lifestyle, hip hop is a passion, and hip hop is an interest. Hip hop is all these things to different people, to one it is a passion to another it is a lifestyle. most importantly hip hop is something you have to like to wanna be apart of it, and when you are apart of this "thing" you like you should give of yourself instead judging who is hip hop enough or who is ruining hip hop. It isnt about how much we do for ourselves to make us look good and look like a real hip hop head its more about what we do for everyone else.
I hope this makes sense, it did in my head. Much love yall.
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Post by H! -- Bras-iLL on Jun 20, 2007 8:29:24 GMT -5
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Post by Scotty Pimppen RTC on Jun 20, 2007 10:05:30 GMT -5
I got a great joke for this thread....
How many hip hoppers does it take to screw in a light bulb....
.. .. .. wait for it .. ..
3... one to screw in the lightbulb, and the other two to argue about how the old one was so much better.
btw house music is ghey
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Post by cryzko on Jun 20, 2007 13:03:29 GMT -5
i'll take house anyday..... and for the record...i'm lesbian
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Post by Scotty Pimppen RTC on Jun 20, 2007 14:06:12 GMT -5
haha i wasn't being serious about that house music comment, i just have kinda a funny story about a friend who was obsessed with it
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