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Post by Banana on Jul 5, 2007 11:24:38 GMT -5
And yet hip hop is still dying..... That mindset clearly isn't working. I think it's time for a change......
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Post by chucky on Jul 6, 2007 0:23:59 GMT -5
damn, i'll jump in! =) Heres my Input. Hiphop needs GROWTH! A particular kind of GROWTH. I totally understand and Love the foundation of how hiphip started. It needs to be carried on and appreciated. Everything that Jason says about supporting is GOOD! We cant say you shouldnt support. Actually jason, let me ask what do you think that LUNCHBOXfuck! is trying to say, in your own words. I dont think you disagree, but i dont think you agree entirely.
We are encouraging deeper thought. its like this man, the world has SOO much more to consider. If you could consider evolution of the culture from this new generation who are sincere, imagine how hiphop can be for more then just one particular group.
Its maybe like this, If you were sitting among hiphop heads who all thought alike, could you teach them something new and innovative? You'd have to think differently then them. Or maybe this, Could kids in the hood effectively teach, and nurture a culture that they only turn to because of their negative environment that isnt changing? The mindset of a society needs to be challenged for it to advance. Which means different kinds of thoughts need to be brought in. IF you just got Hardknock people trying to represent something that we feel is good, it isnt going to be effective. Its actually NOT GOING HAPPEN FROM THAT KIND OF PERSON. That someone is only trying to SURVIVE FOR THEMSELVES and portray a hard unapproachable demeanor and they CAN NOT be effective in introducing the beauty of the culture. How can some hard ass who is narrow minded open the mind of a person who already thinks your a hard ass? Its a SINKING SHIP MAN.
The attitude of these hiphop heads who think its only for the strong are missing the point of the culture. Its suppose to help any person (children) advance and grow into a better adults who can be admirable. THIS IS NOT TAUGHT IN HIPHOP! At least not encouraged enough. DONT YOU SEE THAT AS A PROBLEM?
A person can be so much more then a bboy or a hiphop head of defined TODAY. What would be overwhelmingly FUCKING SWEET! would be if a hiphop head NEEDED to be articulate educated, and a humanitarian! IF these were important qualities for a hiphop head then DUDE! how could the world deny hiphop as not a positive thing? How much better would the ghetto be? Can you see that better image of hiphop, instead of just supporting a rapper, a jam, or doing it for yourself?
What im suggesting is, yeah! do what your saying and support, but in addition bring better qualities to hiphop so it can grow...... BUT hey, thats alot harder then buying a ticket and vibing out. It means take responsibility for yourself first, and learn about other things out side of just ONE culture. Then grow as a person and never stop.....
Shit needs to change man. This "just support your culture" is superficial, Its about focusing on the other aspects of a great culture. The business aspects, the community, the history, politics, ART, ethics, EVERYTHING THAT MAKES UP A CULTURE other then breaking, MCing, blah-blah-blah. The issue is these qualities of our hiphop culture are not being cultivated and taught correctly. If it was taught and hiphop heads became educated about the "REAL WORLD"and could advance in it then they could take back the culture and not be ASS RAPPED! If we had more educated hiphop heads the WHITE MAN LOL! wouldnt be able to USE it and mis represent it. People in the fuckin hood where it all started are being influenced by the media and NOT THE EDUCATED HIPHOP HEADS because their are only a hand full and their too busy trying to be hard asses! Its a dumb hiphop bubble that no one in that community has the BALLS to step out of...... SHIT!! LMAO!! i need to stop! Im getting to deep again. Neways chew on that for a min ya'll and tell me im wrong haha.... =P
seriously, I love the discussion and its all love yo! just trying to encourage people.
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Post by Padlock on Jul 6, 2007 1:28:00 GMT -5
Is it always wonderbreads fault lol? www.theonion.com/content/node/22755Read the part about "O: What did your A&R work for Warner Brothers teach you?" and everything else too Spittin truth or spittin B.S?
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Post by Ha $tyle on Jul 6, 2007 1:36:31 GMT -5
chucky by the way u gotta nice dairy air.............. ;D
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Post by chucky on Jul 6, 2007 10:35:06 GMT -5
"Hip-hoppers are not interpreting what hip-hop is, and when we do interpret it, we interpret it as something immature, unorganized, and outlaw." KRS is sick! back in the day his albums expressed the true meaning of hiphop to me, that shit got me thinking. That dude is a fuckin intellectual. He is totally spitting knowledge, but for some people its hard to understand. Like dont do hiphop be hiphop. Going to shows, dressing, and breaking to me can get too comfortable and then your just "doing". But to be..... be hiphop "YOU MUST LEARN" Krs doesnt say JUST support, he doesnt JUST want supporters. (thats totally necessary, yeah!) but his ultimate message is to grow as a people and get educated, mature, stop living in mediocrity. Use hiphop selflessly! Not just for yourself to feel good and vibe off.... A "true hiphop head" needs to be redefined. It should be a more self reflection role and active role in the community. And thanks for the compliment Ha style!! =P "did you just tough my butt?"
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Post by Schwan on Jul 9, 2007 17:57:24 GMT -5
I ran across a few articles and have heard a few stories on the news about this: www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070515/METRO/705150341I read the article that I saw in the Free Press on Sunday with Kurtis Blow and thought this part was the most relevant: When asked about hip hop and the generation gap he feels between youth and old school cats in relevance to the abuse of vulgarity in the music he replied, "Oh yes, I see the whole country coming together, taking a stand and trying to transform the mind of hip hop. Elevating our minds is very, very important. I see the general consensus all around the country of people standing up, joining the fight" When asked what can be done to get this message to the young people he replied, "The message should be spread to young people by young people... We're looking for our young people to stand up as well and join the fight...You'll see it, it's going to happen. Our young people are going to get it. I guarantee it." It sounds like he has a real good grasp on where he wants hip hop to go and he knows the anger, vulgarity, and disrespect need to evolve. This isn't just an old schooler, but one of the original telling people that hip hop today needs to change because it wasn't always an angry and negative art. Shit is right on point.
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Post by cryzko on Jul 10, 2007 16:00:48 GMT -5
dont forget all the other "words" as well.....
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Post by Banana on Jul 14, 2007 18:46:25 GMT -5
What happened to this thread? WAKE UP!! Whassa matta? Can't take all these deep intricate questions on the discourse of future states of affairs in the art/dance within the subcontext of the larger subculture of hip hop? Haha! www.ctl.ua.edu/msp/Journal/Spring2006/Journal/Wesley%20Nixon.pdfIf anyone's interested, this is what researchers think about bboyin. I thought the first line was the most interesting, albeit not surprising in the least. "Much less scholarly literature has been published on Bboying than the other elements of Hip Hop." I especially liked the comparison to the Yanomama. What is basically being tiptoed around is defining early bboying as "ritualized warfare". Probably where we got the term "battle" from anyways.
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Jul 16, 2007 4:49:21 GMT -5
Holy crap that was long. The info on all the history was dope. The rest was ridiculously terrible. I don't care for the way Alabama and Georgia bboys speak during interviews, haha. And what's with an Irish-Georgian boy incorporating riverdance...hahahha. I wonder when Alien Ness formed Zulu? Does that mean he left RSC, NYC Breakers, and Boogie Down Productions? Or is he one of those guys that reps 8 different crews and has piss poor loyalty to all of them equally? www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DEj3vwb7BkAwww yeah! Hehehe.
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Post by Scotty Pimppen RTC on Jul 16, 2007 10:27:51 GMT -5
i thought bam started the zulu kings... alien ness is just the president, correct me if i'm wrong. Also I heard he left RSC becasue of issues with Legs (like lots of other former RSC members) NYC breakers kinda all when to shit ( murder, drugs, quiting breaking) no surprise he left. BDP wasn't really a bboy crew so i dunno if that counts. This is all just a guess.
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Post by ANTAREZ on Jul 16, 2007 10:55:51 GMT -5
damn this thread is still goin on holy shit
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Jul 16, 2007 11:21:54 GMT -5
i thought bam started the zulu kings... alien ness is just the president, correct me if i'm wrong. Also I heard he left RSC becasue of issues with Legs (like lots of other former RSC members) NYC breakers kinda all when to shit ( murder, drugs, quiting breaking) no surprise he left. BDP wasn't really a bboy crew so i dunno if that counts. This is all just a guess. I'm sure you know more about it than me....I just don't understand why he'd leave his crew instead of spending the time to make it dope. For the most part, reasons for leaving a crew are generally nothing but excuses in the end. If you're committed then you work it out with your crew memebers, keep your crew from murder-drugs-etc, but you're right BDP isn't a crew. I just get all irritated when bboys rattle off the eight crews and associations they're apart of. So great, you're a social whore....hehehe. Now what about the Ness rap. Awww yeah! spittin hot lava! Or maybe just stick to bboyin....Ha.
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Post by Tyquan on Jul 16, 2007 23:37:46 GMT -5
LunchBox Jams, Please stop the hating on Ness if you don't know him. If you got a question to ask Ness personally then send him a message on his myspace at www.myspace.com/battlefiend, and not on the message board where people don't him personally. Stop the hate, remember peace love unity and having fun brotha. One love. Tyquan
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Post by Lunchbox Jams on Jul 17, 2007 5:09:06 GMT -5
Holy shit! Hahaha. Good words Tyquan. I will be sure to ask him personally. And it's very dope to see that you actually check this forum. But what I'm actually interested in is how people perceive his previous actions and similar actions by other bboys. To me, it's always been one crew, one investment, one commitment. I was using the previously posted article (and Ness as an example) to find out how the people of my scene feel about crew hopping. It actually has little to do with him, and more to do with what I see as a bad habit within bboying. I can't explain the rap though and I apologize for that. And while I have you on this forum, and some of Michigan scene reading, I'd like to pick your brain on some things. -Anthony LunchBox Jams, Please stop the hating on Ness if you don't know him. If you got a question to ask Ness personally then send him a message on his myspace at www.myspace.com/battlefiend, and not on the message board where people don't him personally. Stop the hate, remember peace love unity and having fun brotha. One love. Tyquan
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Post by Banana on Jul 17, 2007 11:40:43 GMT -5
I think it depends on the nature of each crew or organization that one belongs to. For instance, I can be apart of both E1 and LBJ because they accomplish different goals. E1 is a school club, while LBJ is more geared towards travel and battle (even though there are shared goals between the two).
It's when two organizations that complete the same goals are affiliated with a bboy that I don't understand, because two crews that battle may inevitably end up battling each other. What then? If you battle with one, you cut ties of true loyalty with the other, and if you battle with neither, you basically cut ties to both.
As far as crew hopping, I don't have a problem as long as the individual exhausts all avenues in which improvements can be made. I agree that if you're committed, you see the crew through thick and thin, but if all avenues of improvement have been tested, leaving may be the best option.
e.g. Ness; if he felt that there were no more possibilities where he could help NYC breakers, then leaving is the best option.
After all, he can always go on to something else (that is hopefully better) and try again at a different time to help out, but if he's stuck in a bad crew, he only has the same bad options with which to work.
Better to swim away and salvage the remains than go down with the ship IMO. But in the end, I don't think it's a decision that should be taken lightly.
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