bboys = bad people

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also everything i have written on here is my OPINION, if i have used someones name thats cause they have specifically said something for me to read, now since these r my opinions then u can either agree or disagree, or even disregard, it does'nt matter to me, if u have a problem with me or anything i've said then bring it up to me next time u see me or just call me out in tha cypher, cause personally i have read a respected everyones OPINION on here even though i don't agree with them all.

[Banana]

yes i do think if u don't support local dj nights or shows ur not bein real about hip hop, cause without supportin all aspects of hip hop tha scene will die, u may not think that, but if u look at tha hip hop scene in michigan it's almost dead

If the hip hop scene is dying, what are you doing to "save" it?

[EPIC]

CPR!

[Lunchbox Jams]

fresh2def said:

also everything i have written on here is my OPINION, if i have used someones name thats cause they have specifically said something for me to read, now since these r my opinions then u can either agree or disagree, or even disregard, it does'nt matter to me, if u have a problem with me or anything i've said then bring it up to me next time u see me or just call me out in tha cypher, cause personally i have read a respected everyones OPINION on here even though i don't agree with them all.

Awww man, you don't get it. You're on the defensive and no one's attacking you. The problem is we all see your side and UNDERSTAND how it's possible for a hip hop head to be all hardcore and want to exclude new comers, blah blah blah. You don't think we're real hip hop because you think we can't relate to you or aren't willing to support the way you support. Yes yes, hip hop is in your blood and veins.

The problem is that you refuse to ACKNOWLEDGE us as a huge contribution to hip hop. We're not all about supporting every aspect. We're about supporting the aspect that we relate to the best, and that's bboying. We don't need to do every element in order to support the scene. Support is support and hip hop needs all the support it can get. Instead of telling us that you don't think we're true hip hop, you should consider telling us that you appreciate the jams and want to make our support work to your advantage.

BUT, you refuse to even look at it that way because you're constantly on your heels trying to defend your opinion. Well stop trying to defend it because we know your opinion and we have no problem with it. We're not telling you that you're not this or you're not that. You're the one telling us that you refuse to accept us as supporters of this culture. If you can open your eyes to that truth then that's all I'm asking for....

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hey man i'am who i'am, i except tha people that r live or die for tha culture, if thats u then alright, hip hop and breakin r one and tha same thing so how can u say that ur down for breakin and not hip hop, u can't have one wothout tha otha.

u ask what i've done, well first i try and support every night, show, battle that i can, i have also tried to create different hip hop nights, wich altimatly failed cause people don't like to support, i'm also in tha works of planing a battle as well as workin with tha ymca on this program thats gonna bring all tha elements of hip hop to tha youth, theres actually a big concert/camp/learning jam that were throwin, dj's, shadow, cut chemist, a few otha dudes have already signed on to perform, it's to try and show tha kids that theres something positive out there besides robin, bein a knucklehead on tha streets.

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so go bannana what do u do to try and save tha hip hop community? what do u all do to try and better tha hip hop community?

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my last statement was not ment as an attack but just a question, u obviously don't have to answer, cause in tha grand sceme of things if u feel like ur supportin tha hip hop community then i'm sure u r. thats anotha point i was tryin to make in my ramblings.

[cryzko]

case in point


how many dj's have you seen at a b-boy/poppin battle
how many mc's have you seen at a b-boy/poppin battle
how many dancers have you seen at a mc battle
how many graf heads have you seen at any battle


there will always be a ratio issue when it comes to who/what/where/when/why/how in the "culture"

cryzko

[Lunchbox Jams]

fresh2def said:

hey man i'am who i'am, i except tha people that r live or die for tha culture, if thats u then alright, hip hop and breakin r one and tha same thing so how can u say that ur down for breakin and not hip hop, u can't have one wothout tha otha.

I'm sorry to hear that you responded this way. But this will prove my point. Whether or not you fit my definitions of a true bboy, I will accept you for who you are and the things you are trying to accomplish. If I think they are good things that are true at heart, then I will support it no matter what your opinions. You have clearly stated that you do not and will not accept people who are different than you and who do not live and die for the culture. You do not accept people who do not live and die for the culture. You do not accept people who do not live and die for the culture. Those words are jacked up....

BUT, the fact that you are literally somehow at almost every hip hop event in the D is some sort of amazing mystery to me. It's a dope thing to see that you can support so passionately and consistently.

[Banana]

fresh2def said:

so go bannana what do u do to try and save tha hip hop community? what do u all do to try and better tha hip hop community?

I don't try to "save" the community. Time takes all. It is foolhearty to assume hip hop will be static. So instead of "saving" it, I help it "evolve". I take what I believe are the most positive aspects of the old/present community and make sure they are carried over for future generations.

In the simplest terms, I teach people how to dance. But it is always so much more than that. I teach people how to apply the tenacity, creativity, comradeship, and discipline they need to break to all other aspects of their lives. I mentor them on improving their entire life through the lessons they learn from dance. I also try to teach how to teach how to dance, so that the art will preserve itself.

I pass on whatever knowledge I obtain, so that the next generations have more time to do something spectacular with themselves and the world. I make mistakes so that my students won't have to.

And lastly (and most importantly), I lead by example.

My sole aim is to make breakin socially acceptable, easily accessable, and the beacon of success, compassion, peace, love, and harmony in Michigan.

It should be noted that I'm only able to do all of these things because I have the best friends and the best crew in the world backing my ass every step of the way, through thick and thin. ;D

Excuse the length, I didn't intend to lecture. I hope it doesn't come off that way!

[Schwan]

I'm astonished at the tenacity and energy people have shown on this thread. It just shows there are people who care about where this scene is going. I wish more people would post, but that's a whole nother post.

If you don't accept me for who I am and what I do, then ok....good job. I'll still respect what you give back to the scene but I think Anthony simply put it by asking not to ignore what we do just like we won't what you do. Don't assume you're right and we're wrong or you're wrong and we're right. Shit is a two-way street, so be an enlightened individual so you can discuss how we see it and not just your cookie cutter definition that doesn't ever seem to change. I grew up in the mean streets of Royal Oak...don't think I won't shank you! Ha....

It's good to hear that you're trying to organize things and events. As a friendly bit of advice, promotion is key to events. You gotta get people talking about it and the first words out of your mouth to people have to be "So, will I see you at ________?" It's hard enough to get people to come to things they already know about and like, let alone those that might have negative sterotypes to them. If people don't come to your events, maybe you're talking to the wrong people. How do you go from just kind of liking hip hop to being a die hard about it if people like yourself judge them as less then true hip hop heads simply because they haven't had the exposure yet? Like I said a few posts back, I never thought I would love this scene as much as I do before I was given the opportunity to by some incredibly open minded people who saw this blonde, short white boy and didn't see me as that. They saw me as a friend and someone who might like this if shown what the positive sides to it really were.

Don't shut the door on people because they don't meet your hip hop definition. They might not have had the chance to see it yet and you could be someone to help them get there.

[Hoops]

Whew my eyes hurt after reading all that, the shiny white on gray is a killer.

Anyway my 2 cents is that i want to battle everybody. 1 by 1......lets go.

[Padlock]

Less talk, more rock

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it's not just tha d, its a2, lansing, grand rapids chitown, it's were eva hip hop is, i try my best to make it and support. i'm not tryin to down anyone, i'm just sayin that everyone i meet in tha hip hop community feels tha same way that i do. but hey rep how u want it's not my right to say othawise. so if u took offense to what i said then i'm sorry. all that was my opinion and that i'm not sorry for.

[Lunchbox Jams]

fresh2def said:

it's not just tha d, its a2, lansing, grand rapids chitown, it's were eva hip hop is, i try my best to make it and support. i'm not tryin to down anyone, i'm just sayin that everyone i meet in tha hip hop community feels tha same way that i do. but hey rep how u want it's not my right to say othawise. so if u took offense to what i said then i'm sorry. all that was my opinion and that i'm not sorry for.

I don't think anyone is offended. And we're certainly not looking for an apology, because it is your opinion. I'm not even sure what you're apologizing for. Your statement is comparable to saying, "eventhough I shit on your shoe, I'm not sorry, but I am sorry that you don't like the smell of my shit on your shoe." Hahahha.

I personally just think that your views on hip hop might be a little narrow minded. It's interesting that you find that eveyone you meet in the hip hop community feels the same exact way.....What's more interesting to me is what it would take to change the opinions of those hip hop heads. What would it take for you to realize and admit that bboys support breakdance, which is supporting one of the elements of hip hop? The bboy scene in Mi would be a great tool to help promote hip hop if people would just get over themselves and their need to exclude others that don't fit their definition.

Hip hop is slowly dying (I think we can all agree on that). You can't do the same old shit to fix a continuing problem. And the reason why I press the issue so hard is because unless hip hop ultimately accepts these facts and people into their culture, it will continue to die. It'll just come down to what's more important, hip hop ego and stubborness or the survival of it's culture as a whole....If you're speaking from your experiences with most hip hop heads out there, and if they're that stubborn, then I'd say hip hop as you know it is fucked. And that's a shame.